Episode #14: An Inside Look at TPC Myrtle Beach 02/11/2020

Meredith: Welcome to the Gimme Golf podcast. We took the show on the road today at TPC Myrtle Beach. I just got done playing a round of golf with the head golf professional and first assistant. Listen in and find out why TPC Myrtle Beach is a proven premier property. Hey, everyone. Thanks for joining the Gimme Golf podcast. I'm your host, Meredith Kirk, and today we have two very special guests, Head Golf Professional Kevin Williamson from TPC Myrtle Beach and First Assistant Tim Bachand.
Tim: Nailed it.
Kevin: Wow you said it right.
Tim: Nailed it.
Meredith: So we are going to dive deep today at TPC Myrtle Beach, and you know what? We are actually at TPC right now because we just got done playing golf here, so we have a lot to talk about.
Kevin: Yes.
Tim: That's right.
Kevin: A ton.
Tim: Fresh off the course.
Meredith: Yes.
Tim: Beautiful day out here at TPC.
Meredith: It's a gorgeous day here in Myrtle Beach. One thing I love about Myrtle Beach is you can play golf year round and this is fantastic weather and the grass is green because you guys just over-seeded in wall to wall recently. And I want to talk about some of the changes that you've made on the course that have taken TPC from a perfect rating to an even more perfect rating. So Kevin, I'm going to start with you. Tell us a little bit about some of the things that you guys are doing out here at TPC Myrtle Beach.
Kevin: Back in 2018, we decided in the summer to renovate all of our bunkers to the Better Billy Bunker system. They went in and leveled some of the bunkers out. We took some out, made them easier to play out of where you're not looking like you're deep in the bunker trying to hit it out. The floor of the bunker gets a, like a pebble and they'll spray a polymer on it and then they put the G-Angle sand over top of it and it keeps the sand in place. It never ... heavy rains, it's minimal cleanup. So we've actually ... need less staff to do the bucker cleanup in the morning. So that's been a huge improvement because in the past, our bunkers, when it would rain a lot would be flooded pretty much bunkers would have water in the bottom. It would take four or five days to clean them up. I mean our last recent hurricane when we had, we had no damage, minimal cleanup and ready to go. So it's been one of the biggest things we've improved in the last couple of years at TPC.
Meredith: So really when a golfer comes out and let's say hypothetically it poured the day before, they're not going to see any puddling in these bunkers with this new system.
Kevin: Not at all. When we hosted the men's NCA regionals, it rained on their practice round day and no water standing, nothing, no damage at all. And something like that we would have been down for few days just trying to get him back up to tour quality and now it's 15 minutes and they're back to normal.
Meredith: That's incredible. How has the response been from the golfers out here at the course?
Kevin: It's been really good. They enjoy the new sand that they're playing off. Obviously, nobody wants to be in a bunker, but now they feel like they have a chance to hit a good shot now.
Meredith: Right. And you said like the lips are not as high. So that's been modified as well.
Kevin: Right? Some of the fairway bunkers, it was almost impossible getting out where the top shelf of the bunker was just so deep. So they kind of went back to how the original design was to where it was more level and you could see out of the bunker. Some of those were like that at the green side bunkers as well. So it just kind of leveled them out. So it was easier to get out of.
Meredith: Well that's great. I love playing TPC. It is one of the more challenging courses. So when I come out here, I'm definitely putting my A game on and knowing that you guys have made those changes, I do get into these bunkers at times when I'm out here. So, that's really good to know. It's going to be easier to get out. And for those of you listening, if you have issues with a bunker or you just struggled to get out. Many recreational golfers do struggle to get out of the bunker and now you guys have made it just a little bit easier for the players.
Kevin: Just a little bit, just a little-
Meredith: Just a little bit.
Kevin: Just a little bit.
Meredith: Tim's over there he just said, "A little bit."
Tim: Well, [crosstalk 00:04:20] a little bit more ... it's more consistent for players. So they see the same bunker every time they're in one, as opposed to getting a real hard packed wet bunker or a soft fluffy bunker. They're going to see the same consistency with the sand throughout the course.
Kevin: That's the biggest-
Tim: They can get accustomed. Especially our members, people that play here often get used to hitting out of this sand so they know how to do it and they're not getting tricked with pulling their ball out of a puddle after a big rain or something like that.
Meredith: Well that's great. And you guys also have over-seeded wall to wall. I want to know what made you guys want to do that?
Tim: We've been doing it now here, I believe it's been five years. Five years that we've done wall-to-wall. We just find the golfers want to come down and see green grass. A lot of our play is ... Myrtle Beach in general is a late ... early start to the golf season and a late finish to the golf season. When spring and fall our two busier seasons. So when they come down here to play golf, they expect to come down to be summer conditions like it is up north for them. So they want to see green grass that ... some people like to see the dormant Bermuda as well. And we have a little bit of each in our company with all of our courses in the founder's group. But it gives you options so you can play courses that you can hit out of thick rough in the winter months. Or you can see green grass on the greens and not paint and things like that. So you actually get the feel of the turf. It gives you the feel of being here in summertime even though it's not summertime.
Meredith: Well, I noticed that today when we were out there playing. It's so green and I feel like you don't get quite as many tight lies.
Tim: Absolutely. Yeah. That's a huge part that's very difficult for amateur golfers, especially. Especially, around the greens to hit a shot close to the pin when you're just off the green, but you have no grass to work with. So it's very easy to blade it or to run it right over the green just because you can't get a club underneath the ball. So it helps people when the ball's sitting up just a little bit. Give them a little bit of turf to hit off of.
Meredith: Well, it's fantastic. It's beautiful out there. And TPC Myrtle Beach is really, you're the leading edge of golf courses in our area. I mean, the highest ranking course, one of the most premium courses that we have here in the golf capital of the world. So many different awards you guys have received. And I know recently, Kevin, you were sharing with me out on the course that you've gotten some more awards. I mean go figure. Right.
Kevin: Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Tim: We love awards here.
Kevin: That's for sure.
Tim: We had a great year. We had a great year.
Kevin: Yeah. In the summer of 2019, I was sharing with them that TPC was rated as Myrtle Beach area golf course owner's association course of the year in summer of 19. And then we were also selected as South Carolina golf course owner's association of the year in the fall. So we are very honored to be able to not only get in our area of Myrtle Beach, but also to get the whole state of South Carolina. That is huge. That is really big.
Meredith: Yeah. You know, TPC is really getting recognized for the quality in play here and that is shown through many of the events that you guys host out here. Tim, I'm looking at your shirt right now.
Tim: That's right.
Meredith: The Dustin Johnson World Junior.
Tim: Sporting it year round.
Meredith: Every year you guys are hosting this event and it's huge. Oftentimes the golf channel comes out here and they cover the event. You have some of the greatest junior golfers in the world. This is a world junior championship.
Tim: It is absolutely.
Meredith: These kids are phenomenal to see this talent showcased on this course that is tour quality. It's really a great event and people could come out here for free. So I'm just going to ask you, Tim, tell us a little bit more about this.
Tim: Meredith, you're dead on with the talent level of the players. They ... it's an invitational, so the majority of the players aside from a couple of qualifying spots are invited to play in this tournament because of their rank, because of their ability. So you're getting some of the most talented players in the country and the world coming out here that are planning to move on to play college golf or some of our players even turning professional after they get done with high school. Our defending champ from last year, he is already turned professional at 17 years old.
Meredith: That's incredible.
Tim: And he's moving ... he's already played on a handful of tour events on the PGA tour in the last five months or so. So it's pretty amazing to see. We also have our defending champ coming back for the girls for a three-peat. So Alexa Pano will be out here.
Meredith: She's incredible. I mean-
Tim: Yeah, she's amazing.
Meredith: Both of those players are amazing. Just to watch them swing. It looks so effortless.
Tim: It really is.
Nate: It's sad when I come out to watch them play. [crosstalk 00:08:40] oh gosh.
Tim: It's fun to watch. It's fun to see the kids though. You get to know them as they come back year after year. We've had some players play in all four and now they're done with it and they're moving on to college golf. So it's fun to talk with them, see what their plans are for the future. Where they're going to school what they're with golf. And they're all very motivated young individuals.
Nate: When I say sad, I mean on my part of my game to watch them play.
Tim: I totally agree, Nathan. I totally agree.
Meredith: I mean, they go out there-
Tim: It's humbling.
Meredith: They make it look so easy.
Tim: Yeah. And at such a young age too. I mean, I've played golf since I was eight years old and I've never come close to the ability that these kids have. It's quite impressive.
Meredith: That is great. And when they come out here, the one thing I love about the event is they're treated like they are an actual tour player. So they come here, they get their own lockers with their names on the lockers and you have all these awesome goodies for them. And I mean this is VIP that you guys just roll out the red carpet for these young players. And the response that I've gotten from some of these players in various interviews is they just feel on cloud nine, this gives them a taste of what they're working toward. And I love that you guys go the full nine yards on this. I mean really it's incredible [inaudible 00:09:55].
Nate: So how much sleep do you get that week?
Kevin: Zero. But from all the kids, and what you're talking about, we go all out for them. I mean these kids, you just see their eyes light up when they get their name called when they first arrive on Thursday for the practice round, to get to go to their locker and see all the goodies that we gave them. Because you know, most of those junior events that they play in, the kids get zero. They just get a small little tee gift and thanks for playing. And you know when they come here they get, they get the tour aspect-
Tim: Yeah, they really get a tour quality experience as if they were in a tour event, from the name plates on the driving range, to when they go hit balls, to the monster board out in the course and all the signage and the interviews after their rounds and everything. They really get the feel of being inside the ropes of a major event.
Meredith: They do and they feel that level of respect and I really think that that builds their confidence. And events like this really build those junior golfers up to want to work harder and to have that drive to make it.
Tim: Absolutely. It's wonderful to see too how motivated these young people are and how gracious they are. They go around thanking the volunteers and everybody helping out the workers. They make sure to shake hands and thank everybody. They really appreciate everybody's help in allowing them to be out here to do this.
Meredith: So tell me a little bit about the pledge support Go Low to Grow fundraiser. What is that about?
Tim: So essentially we have very much like an Easter seals kind of thing where we're going to have a ... you can pledge money, you can donate money for all the birdies and eagles made on the 18th hole of the tournament for the Dustin World Junior. So you can go onto the Dustin World Junior website and you can look up the Go Low to Grow fundraiser and you can pledge a certain dollar amount for every birdie and every Eagle made on the 18th hole here at our par five in the finishing hole. You can come and watch and see how that's happening as it's coming in. These players are very good. So they do make a lot of birdies and eagles throughout.
Meredith: And [crosstalk 00:11:59] number 18 is a phenomenal finishing hole.
Tim: It really is.
Meredith: This course was built to host these types of events. So you can have a huge gallery on number 18, great place to do this. Where's the money going to go?
Kevin: So all the funds raised will go to the Dustin Johnson Foundation to be used specifically for scholarships for beginning junior golfers to be able to participate in programs at the Dustin Johnson Golf School.
Meredith: Which that's another thing we need to talk about because that school just opened up. I mean they've been here for several years, but the facility, brand new facility, just opened up last year. How is that going?
Tim: It's amazing that school has all the bells and whistles. It has every new piece of technology you could ever want to learn how to play golf for beginners, for a tour player level type of players. They can come out. They have TrackMan to all the FlightScopes. They have all the white balance boards in the ground. They have everything that'll tell you about your swing. The numbers. Of course, the great instructors they have over there, the lead instructor and the man who runs the show over there, Allen Terrell, Dustin's coach along with Brad Kirkman. Both just great instructors can help people of any level.
Meredith: Oh, that's great. All right, Nate.
Nate: I'm out of my comfort zone here because-
Meredith: Why?
Nate: We're not in our home.
Meredith: It is a little different.
Nate: We're on the road. Right.
Tim: Yeah, but we're in the tour room.
Meredith: We are actually in the PGA tour room. [crosstalk 00:13:30] I feel very special right now.
Tim: That's right. We had to get credentials to get in here.
Meredith: Yes.
Nate: That's my fault because she looks over to me to do the read and it's like, I was half asleep. I wasn't asleep, but [crosstalk 00:13:36]. So you guys will be very impressed with this that I can actually read.
Meredith: Good.
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Meredith: Oh no, I just took a picture of you. You look cute, kind of doing that.
Kevin: Very nice.
Meredith: I showed Kevin, I'm like, Oh that's a good picture.
Kevin: You're the new DJ.
Nate: I know.
Kevin: That sultry voice, Nate. Sultry voice.
Meredith: He's a wonderful producer and he sits behind the scenes, but he's-
Nate: Ladies and gentlemen-
Tim: Ladies and gentlemen, Jim Nance.
Meredith: Great.
Tim: Hello, friends. So if you go to our website, MyrtleBeachGolfTrips.com, there's some cool stuff going on right now. We've got the Ridin' with Rymer series. Which we've got Charlie Rymer is now local and has 12 celebrities playing 12 golf courses. So it's an interesting web series sponsored by Myrtle Beach golf trips. You can also go there and find Meredith's lesson videos. You can learn a lot there.
Meredith: I'm always here to help you with your golf game. Just call on me. I'm here.
Nate: Just ... what's that song?
Meredith: Just call ... Oh gosh. I can't even sing, that's awful. I'll stick to teaching golf.
Nate: And also we got Chris King and Ian Garren our golf writers are there and they do some golf course debates, which we've got some new debate series going on in this course versus that. So some-
Meredith: I love those guys.
Nate: Good stuff on Myrtle Beach golf trips, latest golf course reviews. So we have golfers go to Myrtle Beach golf trips if they get done playing and they review the golf course. Matter of fact, we just got one yesterday. Someone played TPC Myrtle Beach and raved about it. So you can go there and find all the latest Myrtle Beach golf reviews by golfers.
Meredith: That is so cool. I love having the reviews because it keeps everything up to date and if there's a course that you're wanting to play, you can actually go over there and sneak. I'm like a troller sometimes. I just kind of troll around the internet, see what's going on. And I would definitely be checking out the reviews. And we have so many great reviews on our courses because we really invest so much money into building our courses up to be the best courses in Myrtle Beach. And I'm really proud of all of our courses and all of our staff because I mean it's awesome. And what you guys are doing here, it's been incredible. And now you get to enjoy the fruit of your labor because you guys are just raking in the accolades, getting the good reviews and you've got another accolade on the merchandise. Let's talk about that.
Tim: Yes.
Kevin: So if golf course of the year wasn't enough, TPC-
Meredith: No, it's not enough. Keep bringing it on.
Kevin: I'll talk a little bit about myself.
Tim: No need to be humble.
Kevin: I'm not that type of person that likes to talk about myself, but I will.
Tim: No need to be humble, Kevin.
Kevin: Not only TPC getting Myrtle Beach golf course of the year, South Carolina golf course of the year. In December, I found out that myself plus Tim and that ... all really TPC, I consider wins this, but I was selected as the Carolina section public merchandiser of the year.
Meredith: That's huge.
Kevin: Big, big time award. That's not just South Carolina, that is North Carolina as well. So to be able to get these awards in the Carolinas means you got to go up against the best of the best, not only in just your own state, but also in North Carolina.
Nate: There's a few golf courses-
Kevin: There's a few.
Tim: There's a couple.
Kevin: There's a few.
Tim: There's a couple of view as a couple between North and South Carolina.
Meredith: I mean, that's honestly, it's really tough competition to get that achievement. I mean, that's awesome. And when you walk into the pro shop here, your merchandise and how you have the shop setup, you have something for everybody. So classy and everything. I mean you have some really cool stuff and you've just gone above and beyond. So I totally think that you've earned it.
Kevin: Yeah, these guys right here, or one guy and the other guys in the shop, they get challenged all the time to ... if you don't update the shop daily, weekly, stuff just gets lost.
Tim: Got to keep it fresh. Got to keep it fresh.
Kevin: So you got to keep it fresh. So these guys do a really, really good job of that, so that's when I say that award is not mine, it is Tim and the golf shop staff at TPC. That is the God's honest truth.
Meredith: Right.
Kevin: I don't just deserve that. They all deserve that because they do all the hard work.
Meredith: That's cool.
Nate: So talk about that for a little bit. So we've talked about the tournaments that you run here. Obviously people realize that this golf course was built to host the senior tour championship.
Tim: Yes.
Nate: Migrated from the Dunes Golf and Beach Club to here and it was here for-
Kevin: Just that one year [crosstalk 00:18:16].
Tim: Just the one year [crosstalk 00:18:15].
Kevin: And then I think the hurricane or something changed-
Tim: Yeah, we had ... in 99 I think it was supposed to be here, but there was hurricane, I want to say hurricane Floyd. So in 2000 we hosted it. I was not here then. Neither Kevin nor myself here. Those are some years ago. I was very young at the time, but Tom Watson was the winner of that event.
Nate: And that tournament moved somewhere ... I think it moved out of the country, I think the ... at the end of it, but this golf course was basically built to host that golf tournament.
Tim: Yes.
Nate: So in talking about that ... and I just, I think that's really cool, but just talk about what the golfer can experience. Like somebody that's on a golf vacation that comes down, what's their experience like when they come here?
Kevin: Yeah, they get that tour quality experience from the time that they arrive at the backdrop when they walk in the shop. Nine times out of 10, every time I walk down the hallway, I have to stop and wait for the golfers to take a gazillion pictures of the shrine to DJ. I guess we'll call it [crosstalk 00:19:16].
Meredith: The shrine to DJ.
Kevin: That's what everybody calls it. We have some stuff in the hallway for him. So you know the golfers, they're always wondering if Dustin's here playing. And then you know like we were saying before you get to walk into the locker room and see the lockers that the tour players would've used when they were here-
Tim: We have a Champion's row locker with some of the past winners from the Myrtle Beach area, Tom Watson of course, but also some of the years before that when they started the tournament at the Dunes Club.
Kevin: Yeah.
Tim: Some of those winners' lockers with their plates on their locker as they walk into the locker room. Along with seeing the sign in the back room, which we are currently in the PGA tour only room, it gives people that feeling of prestige. And very much like the Dustin Junior, we try to day in and day out give people that tour quality experience. Obviously we don't have a monster board out there every day and nameplates for them on the driving range. But we do have a very large staff, we're fortunate to have a large staff so we can give them the best feel and hospitality right when they get here or right when they get finished with their round, we clean their clubs, give them a cold towel and really make them feel welcome.
Meredith: I love that, the cold towel.
Tim: It's worth its weight in gold in the middle of the summer, Meredith.
Kevin: Not just a cold towel, a cold cold mint towel.
Tim: A cold mint towel, exactly.
Meredith: Yes.
Tim: When you get off the course and the index is over a hundred, you definitely are looking for something cold so it's ... that makes people's day when they come come into the pro shop after their rounds.
Meredith: And your practice facility here is amazing. You have a ginormous, that's not even a word, ginormous-
Tim: You can use it, urban dictionary.
Meredith: So you have a ginormous range-
Nate: Let me Google.
Tim: Urban dictionary, what's that say?
Kevin: Yeah the range here is unlike any other. We've got chipping green, irregular putting green and-
Meredith: Bunkers.
Kevin: Bunkers. The range Tee itself probably is what? A hundred yards wide and deep.
Tim: Oh yeah.
Meredith: Oh, it's just massive.
Kevin: It's just massive. And then the other part of being able to see the golf school in the background where they do all their lessons and stuff. I mean it's just the best of the best in the area. The range stays full from the time we open-
Tim: Yes it does.
Kevin: Until the time we close. So it's just ... people just enjoy coming out here. Not just to hit on the range but to also practice their short game, which is very important, I might add. That's the most important part of your game is the short game.
Meredith: Yeah, we saw that today when we were out playing.
Tim: That's right. Absolutely.
Meredith: It is about short game and you've got to be on it when you come to TPC Myrtle Beach because these greens are usually rolling fast, which I love. That's a good thing. But you got to be on your A game. Short game is 45% of the game.
Kevin: That's right.
Meredith: Yeah. The putting, [crosstalk 00:21:50]. The putting is 45%.
Tim: And you find so many players just go out and hit driver on the range, but it's the people that really take half their time-
Meredith: That's like 14 strokes.
Tim: To go over there and putt and chip, and we have a bunker chipping green as well with our Better Billy Bunker system set up all around it. So you can hit every shot, essentially you would hit on the course on our practice facility.
Nate: So I'm going to talk about food for a little bit because I've come in here before and sometimes you just want to say, "Okay, just give me a pre-made sandwich." And it's like, "No, we don't have pre made sandwiches." You make it fresh. The food here [crosstalk 00:22:21] and Cindy and her team, they do a great job. It's like, wow, it's really good stuff here.
Meredith: It is really good.
Kevin: It's nice to-
Nate: It's not like you're walking into a-
Kevin: Right.
Nate: Snack bar [crosstalk 00:22:30].
Kevin: Right. It's nice. She pre-make ... they remake everything.
Tim: It's a really great fully functioning restaurant.
Nate: Yeah.
Kevin: That just makes it that much more special to know that you're not getting something that was made two or three days ago.
Nate: That fresh tuna-
Kevin: You're getting it right now.
Nate: When you get that sandwich, it's really cool.
Meredith: And there's a new bar.
Tim: That's it.
Kevin: And we have the Champion's Pub.
Tim: Champions Pub's been open for about three and a half to four years now.
Meredith: Do you all get a lot of people that go in there, like coming off the street to get a drink? Just not even to play golf, but just to come and just watch the players coming in on number 18?
Tim: Oh yeah, absolutely. We're inside the Prince Creek community, so a lot of the people, through word of mouth and driving by it all the time, have realized that this is a public restaurant. A lot of people at first are intimidated. They think it's a private course. They can't go in there, but then they realize, "Oh, it's a public restaurant. It's a public bar." We host a Margarita Monday and a Wine Wednesday just about every week-
Meredith: Oh that's cool.
Tim: And we have a really good following for that. People come in just to enjoy their night, watch the golfers come in, as you say. Have a drink, have some food, and it's been very good.
Meredith: And watch the sunset, I mean the sunsets out here are really beautiful.
Tim: It really is.
Kevin: You can get some good pics out here right off the back of the clubhouse. Over 18-
Tim: Right over the 18th hole yeah, it sets right over there.
Nate: That's always the challenge of any golf course, let alone a TPC golf course, that you don't think you can go in if you're not playing. It's like, "I can't go in there." [crosstalk 00:23:42].
Tim: Yeah, for the non-golfer, [crosstalk 00:23:44] they just think it's a golf course.
Kevin: There's a lot of people think that and even with the signage outside, letting them know, it's just being able to get that word out that, "Hey, we're not a private course. We're open for breakfast and lunch." You know, depending on the time of the year, the grill's open anywhere from four to seven o'clock. So not that you would really like a dinner, but you could come in for late lunch or anything else. I mean that's our biggest challenge, just making sure the community knows, TPC's open to everybody. Whether you want to come on a weekend for breakfast or whatever, you should try it out and you will not be disappointed.
Nate: And I'll attest, the food is really really good.
Meredith: Oh the food is great. Yeah and the sweet tea is really good.
Tim: Yeah. We even do private functions. Cindy Gibson, the food and beverage director, does a great job of communicating with the community, for lack of a better word. And pulling in private parties and have groups come out for maybe a holiday party or things like that. We have a lot of type of functions like that as well.
Meredith: Do you have weddings out here? I mean, do you all host weddings?
Tim: We do not host weddings here.
Meredith: Okay.
Tim: Yeah, we're just really smaller party type deals. We're not really set up for a wedding type venue, but that's really one of the only things we don't do-
Kevin: Christmas parties, birthday parties.
Tim: A lot of our members will utilize [crosstalk 00:25:01] that space for their personal parties.
Meredith: It's a huge restaurant. I mean it's massive.
Tim: Yeah, absolutely.
Meredith: There's a lot of seating in there.
Tim: Absolutely. Yep.
Meredith: Well so many great things about TPC Myrtle Beach. I mean we did dive deep today guys.
Tim: Yeah, we got into it.
Meredith: We covered a lot. Is there anything else that we missed? You think?
Tim: I'm sure we could talk all day if we really wanted to.
Nate: We could.
Tim: We could keep on digging in.
Meredith: Yeah. Well, I know-
Nate: We won't review your round-
Meredith: No, do you notice [crosstalk 00:25:25] I had not talked about our round. I mean, I'm talking about how beautiful the course is and how green, but we're all kind of silent. You know, a little rusty. We-
Tim: Yeah.
Meredith: You know, all three of us-
Tim: We haven't had much time to play lately.
Meredith: Yeah. We haven't played that much, and sometimes I think people get this idea if you're a golf pro, that you play golf all the time and sometimes it's opposite. Sometimes it's like, "No, I just, I don't have time. I've got work I need to do, or different things I want to accomplish."
Tim: That's it.
Nate: A tournament to get set up.
Tim: That's it, a tournament [crosstalk 00:25:51].
Meredith: Yep.
Tim: And everybody thinks you shoot in the 60s every time you go out there, that's not always the case.
Meredith: That's not always-
Tim: You might have some good rounds sometimes.
Meredith: Well, Tim and Kevin, thanks for coming on the show and thanks for inviting us out. It's been really nice to be in this PGA tour room. I feel extra special today. I feel like VIP every time I come out here, I feel-
Kevin: You all are VIP today.
Tim: Thanks for coming out.
Meredith: Very special. So thanks-
Kevin: Thanks for coming out.
Meredith: For welcoming us and join us next time on the Gimme Golf podcast. Thanks guys.
Kevin: Thank you.